Guest Blogger - Springy Speaks!
Got a new comment on a very old post today, to which Springy has written a nice long response. (Thank you to Cosmic Variance for the extra traffic this week!)
Basically the jist of the post (quoted in full below the fold) is that maybe the presence of liberalism in academia is a product of thinking a lot about lots of stuff, rather than thinking a lot about money and consumer goods.
Lumo (a physicist) disagrees. Springy (a historian) responds.
Thanks for letting me on your blog, Joolya. I thought Lumo's comments were pretty hilarious and enjoyable in the same way as reading Ann Coulter or FoxNews - funny, but ultimately reactionary and ignorant. I'm not sure quite how much study in the humanities Lumo has undertaken. From his blog he appears to be a scientist. Perhaps he is not the ideal candidate to criticize the field. And from what he says - the humanities are "communist" and "disconnected from real political questions" and that feminism is "bigotry" - it appears he has no understanding of the humanities at all.
This seems to be part of a pattern: the American right and the general public have little idea of what the humanities actually do. This is the fault of humanities academics, who aren't doing enough to explain themselves to a wider audience, and confront this silly rhetoric.
So, in the broadest possible terms, the humanities are about the study of human behavior and cultural artifacts that they produce. This is in fact the dividing line between the social sciences and the arts, with history spanning the two. These two fields disagree with each other in a subtle and complex way; generally this can be termed the distinction between the “empiricists” and the “culturalists”.
From what I understand from his comments, and from a quick read of his blog, Lumo is an empiricist (although he might not know it). That's fair enough. Empiricists tend towards the social sciences, are keen on what is tangible and easily counted and organised into systems, and they like scientific ways of thinking. They try to discover the underlying laws governing human behavior through the analysis of data. Some social scientists hope governments will use these laws to form policy.
Other academics focus more on the study of ideas, and ways those ideas are professed in “culture”. They think that the variety of human cultures demonstrates that the empiricists’ laws of development and behavior are exaggerated or incorrect. For the “culturalists”, ideas and culture are stronger determinants of human behaviour than economic and social laws. These thinkers dominate orthodox history at the moment, and, obviously, literature and cultural studies.
The humanities are often also called “liberal arts”. But this term means something quite different from the recent and odd American redefinition of it. In the last 50 years or so, American conservatives have started to call the American left “liberal”. The lefties, in their view, reject Christianity and advocate dangerous social ideas like human rights and welfare programs. The American left, frightened of being labeled communists, willingly took up the name. This has unhappily made life difficult for academics. By mixing terms, they can call liberals “communists” (a sport Lumo engages in) and tactically associate liberal Enlightenment thought with Stalin and Mao.
It has become easy to call humanities professors “Communists” when they incorporate Marxist interpretations in their work. In fact Marxism is one strand of several competing forms of interpretation (and one which can lend itself to right-wing ideas, as Francis Fukuyama recently pointed out in his new book renouncing neoconservatism).
But what “liberal” really means, in the Western tradition, is that we should have a free debate about which ideas best explain human behavior and culture without constraints imposed by government or the church. This was the agenda of the 18th-century Enlightenment philosophers, and it spawned modern academic culture. Unfortunately for religious fundamentalists, Biblical ideas lost out to more empirical notions. The humanities are really Enlightenment scholarship, with a broad range of ideas within them. Some tend towards conservatism, like much recent thought in economics and international relations, and some towards left-wing ideas, like feminist cultural theory.
Recently, with resurgent American evangelical zeal, and Rove's strategy of courting Christians, there has been a broad attack by religious Republicans on the Enlightenment. For religious conservatives, the academy is inherently subversive, as its role is to criticize and analyze human affairs. This strategy has encouraged them to ignore the stream of secular right-wing ideas that came from the humanities.
Lumo, I find it odd that you as a "smart conservative" and a scientist are allying yourself from the evangelical wing of the Republican party. The real reason the humanities have come under attack from the religious right is because they offer secular, Enlightenment studies of human history, culture and society, which are inherently antagonistic to scriptural fundamentalism.
Basically the jist of the post (quoted in full below the fold) is that maybe the presence of liberalism in academia is a product of thinking a lot about lots of stuff, rather than thinking a lot about money and consumer goods.
Lumo (a physicist) disagrees. Springy (a historian) responds.
Thanks for letting me on your blog, Joolya. I thought Lumo's comments were pretty hilarious and enjoyable in the same way as reading Ann Coulter or FoxNews - funny, but ultimately reactionary and ignorant. I'm not sure quite how much study in the humanities Lumo has undertaken. From his blog he appears to be a scientist. Perhaps he is not the ideal candidate to criticize the field. And from what he says - the humanities are "communist" and "disconnected from real political questions" and that feminism is "bigotry" - it appears he has no understanding of the humanities at all.
This seems to be part of a pattern: the American right and the general public have little idea of what the humanities actually do. This is the fault of humanities academics, who aren't doing enough to explain themselves to a wider audience, and confront this silly rhetoric.
So, in the broadest possible terms, the humanities are about the study of human behavior and cultural artifacts that they produce. This is in fact the dividing line between the social sciences and the arts, with history spanning the two. These two fields disagree with each other in a subtle and complex way; generally this can be termed the distinction between the “empiricists” and the “culturalists”.
From what I understand from his comments, and from a quick read of his blog, Lumo is an empiricist (although he might not know it). That's fair enough. Empiricists tend towards the social sciences, are keen on what is tangible and easily counted and organised into systems, and they like scientific ways of thinking. They try to discover the underlying laws governing human behavior through the analysis of data. Some social scientists hope governments will use these laws to form policy.
Other academics focus more on the study of ideas, and ways those ideas are professed in “culture”. They think that the variety of human cultures demonstrates that the empiricists’ laws of development and behavior are exaggerated or incorrect. For the “culturalists”, ideas and culture are stronger determinants of human behaviour than economic and social laws. These thinkers dominate orthodox history at the moment, and, obviously, literature and cultural studies.
The humanities are often also called “liberal arts”. But this term means something quite different from the recent and odd American redefinition of it. In the last 50 years or so, American conservatives have started to call the American left “liberal”. The lefties, in their view, reject Christianity and advocate dangerous social ideas like human rights and welfare programs. The American left, frightened of being labeled communists, willingly took up the name. This has unhappily made life difficult for academics. By mixing terms, they can call liberals “communists” (a sport Lumo engages in) and tactically associate liberal Enlightenment thought with Stalin and Mao.
It has become easy to call humanities professors “Communists” when they incorporate Marxist interpretations in their work. In fact Marxism is one strand of several competing forms of interpretation (and one which can lend itself to right-wing ideas, as Francis Fukuyama recently pointed out in his new book renouncing neoconservatism).
But what “liberal” really means, in the Western tradition, is that we should have a free debate about which ideas best explain human behavior and culture without constraints imposed by government or the church. This was the agenda of the 18th-century Enlightenment philosophers, and it spawned modern academic culture. Unfortunately for religious fundamentalists, Biblical ideas lost out to more empirical notions. The humanities are really Enlightenment scholarship, with a broad range of ideas within them. Some tend towards conservatism, like much recent thought in economics and international relations, and some towards left-wing ideas, like feminist cultural theory.
Recently, with resurgent American evangelical zeal, and Rove's strategy of courting Christians, there has been a broad attack by religious Republicans on the Enlightenment. For religious conservatives, the academy is inherently subversive, as its role is to criticize and analyze human affairs. This strategy has encouraged them to ignore the stream of secular right-wing ideas that came from the humanities.
Lumo, I find it odd that you as a "smart conservative" and a scientist are allying yourself from the evangelical wing of the Republican party. The real reason the humanities have come under attack from the religious right is because they offer secular, Enlightenment studies of human history, culture and society, which are inherently antagonistic to scriptural fundamentalism.


11 Comments:
Dear Springy,
let me first congratulate you for being allowed to post on Joolya's blog. Given your extensive thanks to her, I wonder how many times you will have to do the laundry for such an opportunity. ;-)
It is entertaining to see how you view the words "reactionary" and "ignorant" to be nearly synonyma. As you might expect, my opinion is different.
Many "progressive" people from the humanities have demonstrated pretty well what they're after - and I've spent 1/2 of my life so far in a system that they designed. Never more.
When you describe the cultural wars as wars between "empiricists" and "culturalists", you should also be told that the image of reality as painted by theoretical physics represents the main part of the true culture of our era, as Richard Feynman emphasized in his lectures. ;-) So it is us who are both empiricists as well as culturalists, while those who ignore this culture are universal cultural and empirical barbarians.
Feynman knew that many anti-scientific colleagues would disagree with him, but all of us know that these colleagues are wrong.
As you might have determined, I am an import. So your version of etymology of the word "liberal" sounds a bit crazy to me. For us who were born and educated in Europe, "liberalism" still means what it used to mean in the whole world, namely a combination of neo-liberalism and libertarianism. In Europe, I vote for liberal (conservative) parties.
What is called "liberal" in the contemporary America is an insult to all of these values - because most of the self-described liberals have virtually nothing to do with liberty or any other values from the same package. The "liberals" are those who support regimes that suppress human rights and who defend anti-American fighters against the teeth of freedom and democracy. The "liberals" are those who fire presidents of universities just for hypothesizing that male and female brains differ or for having any other politically inconvenient, heretical opinion, for that matter. The "liberals" support speech codes, political correctness, discrimination of important groups such as men, whites, and conservatives. ;-) The "liberals" have very little to be proud about these days.
Indeed, I fully agree with you that it is easy to call scholars "communists" if they incorporate communist ideas - such as Marxist ideas - everywhere into their work and thinking. ;-) How else should we call them - what about skateboardists?
When you talk about your antagonism to scriptural fundamentalism, your attitude becomes so intense that you are becoming a non-scriptural fundamentalist. That may often be - and often is - much worse than scriptural fundamentalism, especially if their particular non-scripture is much worse than the Scripture. ;-)
Yes, I enjoy FoxNews, especially Bill O'Reilly, and folks like Ann Coulter are badly needed.
Best
Lubos
Great post Springy. Joolya, you should let him post more often (or make him get his own blog).
Lumo, I assume then you agree with Ann Coulter's various outrageous statements, which even most conservatives seek to seperate themselves from? Such as
-9/11 widows... I've never seen people enjoying their husband's deaths so much.
-I'm getting a little fed up with hearing about, oh, civilian casualties
-I think we ought to nuke North Korea right now just to give the rest of the world a warning.
-"only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building";
Here's another sampling... and more from her writing.
Somehow, I doubt that Feynman would waste his time reading her books (or watching Fox news, for that matter).
Oy. Lubos, I'm sure you're a really terrific theoretical physicist. I myself dabble in pop string theory treatises, but tend not to bother debating the subtleties of string theory with people who are much more well informed than me.
I suggest you take a lesson from my experience, and stick to what you know. Politics and cultural history are clearly not your area of expertise. (Nor mine, which is why Springy wrote this post! I write about biology and the beach, which are things I know a lot about.)
Lumo, I was looking forward to something better than this! Oh well. I won't bother to engage in debate with you, because your sources of political information are so poor (FoxNews and Coulter are hardly careful journalists). One thing about the word "liberal", though: I was actually explaining the strange American etymology of liberal. Being English, I also find it odd that "liberal" means left-wing over here. The 17th and 18th-century definition of the term was "free from constraint" or sometimes "charitable", and by the 19th century it had come to mean "a principle of small government". So I'm with you on that one. But by agreeing you're playing into my hands. Liberals can be either right or left-wing - or they can refuse those categories altogether: and in the humanities it tends to mean a tendency towards centrist political views.
Dear Dlamming,
indeed, I would tend to agree or directly agree with some of these statements and probably many other statements that you find irritating. And yes, I think that FoxNews belongs among the best TVs in their coverage of politically charged questions. And because I don't want to spoil your weekend, I won't tell you exactly which statements I agree with and why they're correct. ;-)
Thanks for your nice words, Joolya. And springy, you are right about some of the aspects of "liberalism". And incidentally, the people who are strongly interested in politics but reject to count themselves as left-wing or right-wing are almost always left-wing: they just simultaneously want to get rid of the heritage of certain labels that are clearly associated with them but that have already been discredited and move the the damping ground of the human history.
All the best
Lubos
Eh? Fox News is good TV journalism? I saw on your blog that you like the Wall Street Journal, Lubos, and you'd better stick to that if you want to hear right-wingery. Like the Economist, it has some original ideas and decent writing. It is also not "reactionary", which means "conservative" but also "knee-jerk" or "impulsive". You don't want to be like that, do you? Fox News is the most mendacious peddler of tabloid propaganda that I've ever come across, and I come from the land of The Sun and The News of the World. At least they have decent sport coverage. Please tell us which of Rupert Murdoch's pronouncements you enjoy; we could all use a laugh.
Luv
Springy
Dear Springy,
I am not watching it often, but I just like their fair and balanced comments about events, and especially Bill O'Reilly's witty perspective. I agree with him in 90% of cases.
I used the word "reactionary" because others (communists, and not only those in Czechoslovakia) have used it for me (and people like me), too. If the word "reactionary" means both "right-wing" as well as "impulsive", then it describes what I am even more than what I thought, and I am proud about it - otherwise I would not write it as the subtitle.
Knee-jerk? I don't know. Leftwingers drive me up the wall and I have certainly developed certain reflexes to deal with them rapidly.
Best
Lubos
"fair and balanced comments"
you do know what irony is, don't you?
irony = FoxNEWS calling itself "fair and balanced".
it's complete tabloid journalism, pretending to be something else. maybe it's a language issue, but i imagined harvard faculty would be clever enough to realize the difference between tabloid and quality programing.
In the post, I was trying to suggest that right-wingers in America have a choice. They can be slaves to the religious right, or they can try to set up a sensible centre-right coalition that doesn't marshall the "liberal elite"-bashing Bible-thumping God botherers. It seems to be a common mistake, by European conservatives, to assume that American politics has the same definitions and distinctions as European politics. It doesn't. If I were a European conservative, I would support the Lieberman-style centrist Democrats or the relatively moderate Republicans like John McCain or Arlen Specter.
On all issues that European conservatives care about - strong nationhood, limited regulation, swift and certain punishment for lawbreakers, free markets, immigration, confrontational foreign policy - these politicians serve their interests. True "liberals" (small state ideologues) would never vote for an overturning of Roe v. Wade or illegal wiretapping, and would be worried about how the "war on terror" is being used to strengthen executive power.
They might also support university teaching and scholarship, and accept radical feminist and Marxist scholars as a necessary and useful foil for more liberal and conservative views. There is nothing to be afraid of, after all, if they are sure of their intellectual superiority.
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